Dear “Liberal” friends and media,
At the onset, I would like to accept unapologetically that I am one from the so-called communal brand, who by definition is anyone going to temple, believes in multiple Gods, worships idols and above all, believes in the backward thinking that cow is a mother. That said, I am equally outraged at the barbaric and savage act that took place in Dadri. This kind of inhuman act cannot be accepted irrespective of your religious inclination or lack there-off.
Though adhering to your views in this particular case,unfortunately and beyond my control, I have to subject myself to “beef” everywhere I go across the social media and now even in the coffee room talks. There are numerous people like me who although do not have any comment to make about anything you eat, ranging from amoeba to a blue whale, we find it extremely uncomfortable to talk about or be faced with beef. And believe me, we are so tolerant that we would not even ask you stop when you speak about it but would rather give you the typical smile which means, ok-I-respect-your-thoughts-but-can-we-talk-about-something-else. Is it really too much to ask for ? I am fine with the fact that everyone has to eat only halal if they want to eat meat even in places like hostel because of religious reasons of some, but I never reason against that. I know that starting from 4 in morning, till late evening, I have to subject myself to loud sounds 5 times a day, but I am ok with that as well. I have “evangelists” visiting me and asking if I have heard the good news which I never want to, but I still tolerate. Is it really too much ask that you keep the beef promotions and beef eating festivals OFF the face-book wall if you can’t respect the sentiment of majority who condemn the act but are strongly uncomfortable with your beef-promotions ? What bigger can be the proof of tolerance of the majority of this nation than the fact that a living being whom they consider as mother, its slaughter is being brought forward every other day in social media but they haven’t even asked you to stop doing that ? You really think we have problems with what you eat on your dining table, no we don’t. Sometimes I just wish we were not that tolerant, in the sense that a lot of us would come out and say “Okay enough! I really don’t want to talk about this.I have no issues with what you eat, but just find talking about beef disgusting”. But somehow tolerance is embedded much deeper inside our conscience to ever speak out.
What did you do when some religious fanatics kicked the Amar-Jawan Jyoti ? I don’t recall you going around with Indian flag and trying to launch your protest against the damage to the symbol of ultimate sacrifice my soldiers. I don’t recall you having put any Facebook outrage over that. Of course pro-armed forces, anti minority is the utmost cliché of uncoolness.
I understand that farmers suicides, global market slowdown are no issues for you as compared to beef but really does it need to feature on 70% of my twitter feed as pics and memes ? I also understand that a 4-year old killed for not covering her head, or a kid killed for he grazed his cattle in field of minority’s field, or several girls from majority community kidnapped and converted in west Bengal, would never find a space on your wall but is beef only thing worth an outrage ?
Or maybe I am wrong, I am talking to a crowd who created social media revolution because they feared they might have to pay a few extra rupee for VOIP (net-neutrality), but were scarily silent on farmers committing suicide.
While I see posts about beef parties, I recall how once a colleague in Europe organized a party beef-less just because he came to know that one of the participant was from India.
Jai Hind !
Sincerely,
Anurag Nandwana
A “regressive” cow-respecting Hindu Indian
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Salute!!
Sadly, since my parents are Hindus, its written on ma certificates that I’m Hindu. But luckily, I’m born on Kerala, where most of the people are educated and hence in a good society. We, the majority of keralites, regardless of age, sex and religion, we eat beef. Beef and porotta has been a national food in Kerala too. Beef is tasty :) . Beef is costlier :( . We, never treated cow as a god or a mother just because we are aware about the fact that it’s an animal, which dies at a particular age and is edible. At least whoever says cow is their god, please do give we beef eaters an example to satisfy with.
Now the situation in here Kerala is funny. Many people , especially Hindus get to aware that north indian Hindus treat cows as their god and mother. So atleast some are trying to give a farewell for beef by eating more beef :D . Another weird thing you can find in here , the beef eaters BJP and all, they’re in dilemma, whether to quit beef for a while and make statements against beef or to be mum .
Alas, someone got died in ma country for eating beef. Will you people go and kill the hindu priests on the bang of Ganga who feed themselves human flesh, which are been collected from holy Ganga ? .
Does anyone from the majority religion in here knows how scared and horrified the minority people are ? Or is that what you want ?
So you are sad coz your parents are hindus…well we have a solution for t8 in our country…You can change your religion and become Islamic,Christain,Budhhist,Jain,Zoroastian,Sikhs,Ayyavazhi or even Atheist and it seems like the kind of Son you are ur parents wud have no Problem.Hell you wud also enjoy the minority reservation.What more do you want.My Edu Nazi friend -you are born in Kerala not on Kerala.Education and wisdom are two different things,for example you are educated but not wise which is an overstatement for you.Just like all the kid studying in schools, are educated but don’t know “D” of Duniyadari.
It goes without saying t8 the majority of keralites irrespective of age,sex,religion are dumb ass motherfuckers,sisterfuckers,provided majority of Keralites are muslims!Oh yah you can change into an Islamist and can fuck your sister coz there is equality at high!Nobody discriminate among girls as sister mother cousin etc they all see them as Potential wives!
And Dear Edu Nazi when you say Beef and Porotta are in Kerala is “national” food I just wonder what kind of yardstick you use to measure literacy!
And if you are so much aware,are you aware the benefits you get when you Keep a cow and care for it!
First you tell me WHATS YOUR DEFINITION OF GOD AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE TO SATISFY WITH.
But going with the logic I am providing u a link click on it and try to listen!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7xaTCfA7js
and the one who died stole a cow and new born calf and then cut the calf and ate it…if I Steal smthing t8 you love and then cut it and eat it and to mock you throw its remians in your house what will you do??What happened was heinous in oth the cases,killing is not justified in anycase and anyone may it be animal or human…atleast for me!
Does anyone from the minority knows what we go through as majority just to prove we are tolerate…we give 45 lakhs to Dadri victim but give 10 lac to any hindu victim and show news all day about Dadri but keep our mouth ans asses shut when victim is a hindu…Try hard to save a terrorist to show how much we love people from a particular “So called minority” whose number in some states are of majority” t8 we force supreme court to organise a trial at 3 in the morning!
Do you have any idea what kind of messed up situation the majority is in!
Finally brother Go see a Doctor and then Join a Primary school again!
Bravo. well said bro
Great post. Shows you have a very similar mentality as the admins of this website and the FB page. Why don’t you apply for a permanent role as an admin?
Not sure, what you mean by this. In any case you will do some reading, instead of brushing aside the issue at hand, which is essentially media’s role in instigating violence to divide the country.
You seem very upset but I can’t hear you over the sound of my chewing.. as I eat some nice chilly beef.
Also, I wonder where you are from.. perhaps from one of the hindu-majority BIMARU states known for their very high standard of living, education etc?
Was a reply from a kid who’s some kinda religious and is worthless. A real reply to these kind of assholes are useless..
Thanks Rahul :)
I will. Just send me a hand written request on a hand-drawn poster of Prophet Mohd. Please have it printed in the Hindu newspaper. Chennai edition. Don’t worry about the cost, I will reimburse it to your parents. Don’t ask why your parents and not you.
Yes Minorities are scared in Kerala. By that I mean the Hindus who are not true communists/ atheists or whatever. Whose temple revenues are taken by govt. Govt and oppositions which turn blind eye to dwindling Hindu population thanks to the evangelism openly promoted by the most powerful church in India. A state so dependent on Gulf money they will sell it to Saudis and bring another Kashmir in Kerala. Yes the Hindu minority which is just barely holding out as born Hindus 54% but having less number in actual is living in fear.
I absolutely agree. I can’t find the words to make a comment because these thoughts so perfectly echo my own; I am glad the writer came up with this. Thanks.
To all secular people out there, please open your eyes and see this video,
Reality of Islam https://dizivizi.com/video/107232/reality-islam-15-new-bartholomew-st-birmingham-west-midlands-b5-uk.html
“What bigger can be the proof of tolerance of the majority of this nation than the fact that a living being whom they consider as mother, its slaughter is being brought forward every other day in social media but they haven’t even asked you to stop doing that ?
” – This is the problem and crux of this article.
Tolerance? – No. Humans right declaration clearly states what rights each indivudal citizens have. It is NOT tolerance because you are NOT allowing us to do something. You HAVE to allow us our basic human rights just like we allow yours. It has nothing to with “majority”.
Human rights are not issued based on what majority thinks in a secular country. I have the right to do what I eat, what I discuss at my home and in my social circle. If you do not like it – you are welcome to criticize it just like this article. And I have the right to criticize it just like this comment. But do not act “HUMBLE” as if you are doing us a favor.
If you ask us to stop doing this as a favor for you being tolerant – then you are not asking for special priveleges based on what you believe.
A secular country will not provide special privileges or laws based on religion or opinion.
if you do not like it, you have the option to block the feed or change the channel. But, no, do not tell us what we can or cannot discuss.
Rights are subject to public morality as they arise out of social contract. If irreverence is the the sole purpose of an act then it is open to social commentary and possibly social intervention. Your right for free speech is complemented by my right to take offence. In the end, the state/society decides whose right takes precedence.
The sheer idiocy of your offends me deeply. Can I exercise my right to take offence by murdering you?!
No? What about just beat you up, maybe break a few bones?
No, even that sounds ridiculous. I guess I will just disregard your post and continue to respect your right of free speech, even though I think what you are saying is complete utter BS.
Yep. This kind of liberalism is equivalent to terrorism. The only difference is it is so sophisticated, well funded and promoted that it makes it appear like a protest. I am a hindu who worships cow. Please do not humiliate me and hate me. I do not believe in that I am the image of god and god has made everything for my consumption, Rather I believe in karma which facilitates cosmic equilibrium. I believe in atma not soul.
Dude it doesn’t matter whether you believe cow to be your mother or Mohammad your prophet, we have certain rights given to us the law. We can eat whatever we want, be it beef or pork or whatever. You may choose not to, but you can’t force others to not do the same. Simple as that. Stop this ridiculousness and chil.
Hinduism is not a belief system. It’s about seeking truth. Distinguish between those two before you write any more.
Dude For starters I never used the term belief system. Secondly, if you mean a religion, then that’s exactly what it is atleast as defined by our constitution. And this has nothing to do with my preferences and that’s really rich of you to assume so(I’m a vegetarian btw). And I’m not going to read a biased as fuck article as proof of anything. If you have a real point, please tell me.
FYI, Cow Slaughter is also banned in 22 of the states in India. In UP it is banned since 1954. The issue here is not about what you eat. Rather the issue here is to humiliate a specific section of the society through propaganda. When are we going to have pork party and the media fans it to propagate it. In India media is engaged in social engineering. I am surprised to see that people like you support this behavior.
Well surprise surprise beef is not just cow meat. And Beef parties aren’t supposed to humiliate you, they’re supposed to humiliate the kind of people who support dadri lynching, however I do agree that this isn’t the best way to do that. So, it’d be better if we stop taking it personal and stop whining.
Dadri was a law and order issue. As soon as you give is a communal color, you are bringing in a propaganda
Every crime is a law and order issue. A lot of those do have reasons like religious one in this case. Everything I know about the case shows it stemming from religious conflict, so how is that wrong to insert truth in it?
Really, Do You feel that there was not media ballooning of the issue? Are you aware of the current happenings in West Bengal? The media has completely ignored the day to day happening which is equivalent to cultural and physical genocide. Are you aware of that?
Dude first of all stop throwing around words like genocide. Secondly, yes I agree that the issue isn’t as big as the media is making it out to be. But that’s true for anything the media reports, it should be taken with a pinch of salt. And suffering of Hindus doesn’t invalidate this crime. The was a heinous act which must be condemned. If you think you can justify this or condemn the backlash using some other heinous act, that’s not how morality, or the law works.
You are apathetic. Have no intention to understand and engage. May be your living is part of this media propaganda.
Dude I am a lot of empathy for people who have suffered. If this was an article about the suffering of Hindus in West Bengal and someone had used an dadri lynching as an argument against it and called said shitty things about Hinduism, I would be arguing with them as well. Your problem with me is that I don’t have selective empathy l, which is what you want, for me to disregard people because of their suffering. I’ll say this more clearly, this is not the way to change anything, if you care, write an article about it, and if it’s real and not negative, you’ll have my full support, but I refuse to not support someone just because they’re a bit different from me
It is about media propaganda and social engineering. How is it being done to divide a country? Nothing to do with lynching. Wake up and open your eyes.
Again you’re using big words that I don’t believe you fully comprehend. I don’t give a shit what the media is trying, there’s always going to be a right. Wing and a left wing news. The point is, a man died over what he fucking ate, that’s what I care about.
Watch this video to understand left and right wing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O15AiMEFRY
As per the all the details the man died because of stealing. In any case its a crime and must be dealt with. Media’s role in this case is essentially to demonize hindus and incite violence, That is what is most worrisome.
I understand the right wing and left wing. You’re ignoring my point. The crime in question did have religious connotations, that by far has been proven. No matter what the media is doing, our job is to condemn this act and stand with the people who do consume beef as that is their fundamental right. Are you against that?
It is like saying this, Sadam Hussain is a bad guy did wring things, So it is OK to kill 3 million people in the WMD pretext. Let’s not talk about killing of 3 million people rather give it a twist.
Dude stop getting off the point, the Iraq war has nothing to do with this, and neither the international media, United States or me are rationalising the Iraq war. What does this, in clear words, has to do with the current situation?
I am not. Either your knowledge is quite limited or you choose to keep yourself ignorant so that you do not have to answer these hard questions. Current state of media is equivalent to terrorism. Wake up.
God! Dude we could keep this up for weeks and you could say whatever it is you’re accusing me of and I could try to show you how incredibly biased and selectively ignorant you are but it won’t solve anything. You keep reverting to same claims without providing a single credible proof, and when that doesn’t work you repeat a few phrases you love so much. Even now you didn’t answer my last question just like you’ve been ignoring part of my comments before. So I’m conceding this thing, I refuse to argue with someone who doesn’t even understand how an argument works.
Do some reading before you write your opinion. I gave you enough proof. Just find out what is going on West Bengal. You will have your proof. Like most indians you guys are ready to dish out your opinion based on convenience.
Brother what he says is absolutely true .. its u who shud understand that if u want our country to grow u should stop being ao narrow minded .. Media will get involved .. Politicians will provoke .. But its still upto you to either throw urslef for peace or for a fight ..
It’s like saying this, You can run fast when some body sprays bullet at you. If you can not run fast then it’s your fault. In stead of taking steps to prevent the criminal to fire bullet, you will hide.
Hats off brother .. If one understands humanity and respect humans ther wont be no dadri lynching and there wont be no religious riots ..
Humanity does not happen in vacuum. It requires an eco-system. Develop that eco-system then humanity will thrive, Or else it will be same genocide as it is happening in other countries and India, such as kashmiri genocide, current on going genocide in West Bengal, Genocide in Bangladesh, genocide in Pakistan. etc,
Yeah bro, but I doubt that’s gonna happen, but I guess we must try though.
Did my post condone violence in any form? My post said let the state’s power and laws decide whose rights take precedence in each case. The article was not about violence, but the atmosphere which engendered the violence. Controlling both is equally important. It would be foolish to say that state power should be used to control violence but not acts whose sole aim is to offend. I do not want to qualify my comments by saying whether or not I am in favour of or against personal liberty to eat what someone wants in private space. That sort of qualification will only detract from my argument which supports the power of the collective to decide for all of us. I will however strongly suggest that public spaces should be regulated to meet common demands from various communities. Please note, this is not a majoratarian view.
Also, please be a little more civil from next time.. I don’t hound around comments sections to comment at every opportunity. I just found this topic interesting.
Sorry about that, in my eagerness to make my point my post ended up being rude and harsh. Sincere apologies.
My point is that I strongly object to someone “taking offense” as an excuse to curtail freedoms of others. Especially when it relates to religious beliefs. I may believe that noodles are sacred since I believe in the holy Flying Spaghetti Monster, but that does not give me the right to demand that you give up eating noodles. If restrictions are made on the basis of number of people offended, then it becomes a case of majortiarianism or fascism.
In principle I agree that “public spaces” may be “regulated to meet common demands” from the society. However, please note that in this case, the “beef parties” are a means of protest. The objective is not irreverence, the objective is to protest. The protest in this case is against the state imposing unacceptable restrictions on personal liberties of people to eat what they want in the private space, and especially against fundamentalist groups who go further and resort to violence to enforce those restrictions. Beef parties are therefore a perfectly apt mode of protest. A side effect may be that some well meaning peaceful people may also take offense – but I don’t think the right of people to protest or to eat beef (note that such protests were held in locations where consumption of beef is not illegal) should be restricted to appease those who may take offense.
Also, despite my qualification above, I also believe that freedom of speech and expression should be a fundamental right with very few restrictions (e.g. child pornography, libel). As I mentioned earlier, someone taking offense should not be considered as sufficient grounds to impose restrictions on freedom of speech. That would only encourage people to take offense at whatever they don’t like, and lead to lower freedoms.
I apologize again for my rude post earlier, I could have made my point in a much better way.
Public morality was a parameter in the middle ages. Now it is more like public convenience which govern our rights and duties.
With due respect, maybe what I wanted to say was lost in the wording. Public morality is strongly coloured by public convenience however not limited to the sheer convenience of the individual. I would again cite social contract theory to justify my comment which theorises that social convenience forms the precedent for social morality. You cannot inconvenience a large group of people by outraging their beliefs in the shared public space for your own personal convenience. Social order would break down, specially in a highly populous country like India.
It is about mutual respect. It is about embracing the differences. It is about mannerism. When media encourages this behavior, I am not sure the kind of society we are heading towards. It’s disgusting.
In fact it is more like turning your eyes, ear for convenience.
There is no such thing as “Public Morality”. So called Moral Policing like what VHP, RSS and Fatwas do is against Humans rights.
By saying that – “I do not like what you do at home” – is like saying – “you are enjoying a great looking food while I cannot” – so you also should not eat it. What nonsense?
They are not being “humiliated”. They are acting like kids that they do not like something.
People in other countries eat beef – so should we go to war with them based on the same principle?
Let me ask “Is your right” is same as human right. What have you done to stop a recent genocide caused in Iraq in the name of right. You are the mask of rationalization which facilitates physical and cultural genocide. What are you doing now for the torture and extinction of YAZDI women. Have you thought any of this? Essentially you are a facilitator of current on going mass genocide across the globe.
Next time, if somebody steals your money – you go to police – if police say – “Police say – Dude!, ISIS is stealing children and you have not done anything. you are enjoying your life with your children and family with your rights. So, We will let the thief go.”
How does that sound?
Not being able to do something about every problem in the world is NOT a valid reason for denying human rights in our country.
It is good that our country is better than that and it is bad that our country is worse compared to other developed countries.
Compare with the better ones, not the worse ones if you want to grow as a nation.
How is torture of YAZDI women relevant to this discussion? Human rights are being violated there, but you have no right to deny in our country showing that as a reason.
What is to do with Media’s role in inflating the issue to the point of creating division among the religious line? They did it in a forceful and propagandist way. Their whole purpose was to divide to the point that there will be a riot. Which country allows it’s media to behave this way
Exactly what I feel after reading this, like this guy does not even understand what tolerance is in the truest sense.
To Anurag Nandwana,
You are right that you are a “so-called communal brand”: however, you misunderstand the reasons why you are one. It is NOT because you go to temples, or worship any idols, or believes that any animal – be it a cow or an elephant or a cockroach – is a mother or father or whatever relation you choose. You are a “so-called communal brand” because you are not mature – or perhaps not comfortable enough with your personal religious convictions – to accept that whatever your beliefs are, there are others who don’t hold the same beliefs and that you should respect those beliefs.
You should realize that the “beef parties” are a protest, against communal forces which are a bit more extreme than you are. Communal forces who do not just express discomfort with people eating beef, but who go one or two steps further and use violence against such people. The sort of forces who murdered a man a few days ago, based on the suspicion that he may have eaten a cow.
Please don’t talk about “whataboutisms”. Yes, we are aware that there are a lot of other problems with the world. However, a person who is protesting against one injustice in the world is not automatically obliged to protest against every injustice in the world. If you find other causes important enough to protest against, then by all means, protest against them.
If you are deeply uncomfortable with images of consenting adults eating a common food item, perhaps you should realize that you are the problem. You should learn to be more mature and just grow up, and be comfortable with it.
Or else, if you want to stay as a bigoted “communal brand”, you can close yourself from the rest of the world, and stay in your own “communal brand” circles. The likes of Bajrang Dal and Gau Raksha Senas are all always on the lookout for new members, you can join them. If you are offended by such images on social media, you should unfriend such “sinners” who are causing you so much pain.
But do not ask the rest of us to stop our beef parties. Beef parties will not be needed when the rest of us again feel the freedom to eat beef without any fear in the comfort of our homes or in restaurants or wherever we wish. Beef parties will be irrelevant when the current poison in India gets dissipated. But until then, we need the beef parties. Both as a protest against the “more” “communal brands” who attack freedoms of people, and as a means to show the “less” “communal brands” like you that beef is a perfectly normal food for a lot of people in the world, and that all of you need to STFU and bear with it.
YEP. Secularism and human rights are the two most communal brand. Look what is happening to YAZDI women. These idiots are the biggest communal force world has seen. They rationalize crime such as 3 million killing in Iraq, 100,000 killing in Libya, genocide in Kashmir, ongoing genocide in West Bengal, Pakistand and Banlgadesh. They are the rationalizing force of the society which divides the community instead of uniting them.
I am sad that instead of seeing the unity of Hindus and Muslims in Dadri incident, Media only focused on the mob who lynched the man. Hindus and Muslims have been living there for ages in peace. It was Hindu family in the neighbourhood that saved many of the Muslims from the mob. Media just ran to all those politicians who are unpopular for their unethical remarks whether in BJP, SP, JDU or Congress, looking for some “controversial statements”. Media just thinks that the mob represented the whole Hindu community. Many Hindus have come out asking for severe punishment for the culprits. but as usual, media will never show it. Media will never show the another incident in UP where a Hindu boy was killed by muslim mob, because it does not suit their agenda.
THERE WAS NEVER FIGHT BETWEEN HINDUS AND MUSLIMS, IT IS MEDIA THAT CAUSES RIOTS BY SHOWING PROVOCATIVE SPEECHES OF NON SIGNIFICANT POLITICIANS. WHETHER IT IS GODHRA, 2002 GUJARAT OR MUZZAFARNAGAR RIOT. YOU WILL FIND HAND OF MEDIA BEHIND THE RIOTS.
Hmm…by your parameters I am pretty progressive, however, I fasted in penance of the Dadri lynching along with more than 1000 others. You missed it on social media, eh? And yes you are not regressive because you have a set of religious beliefs but you are regressive because you get offended by others not talking according to your beliefs. I am Bengali Hindu by birth and in our Navratri we are supposed to offer fish and meat to Durga Ma. We tolerate the north Indian veg talk during this time though. We do not cry foul on social media because in North India all meat shops close and we cant entertain our guests as we would want to.Did I write a long article crying how you dont respect my religious sentiment? Í have to tolerate when north Indian women flaunt their Karwa Chauth on my face. But I dont got cry myself hoarse on TFI. Better not be so frustrated ….be a little more liberal…good for the heart
Well, its not just beef party anymore. They are beating the majority to pulp too.
In this entire episode, we all have a right to information. When main stream media fabricates comes up with stories with a bias, then its equivalent to fascism. Me being a hindu I would like my story to be told from a hindu practitioner point of view, not some person who never practices hinduism but hve an identity. Also at the same time they have agenda to create social engineering. This is how 46 civilizations have destroyed in last 1700 years. Hinduism is next in line. Right now its well designed and well orchestrated attack on hinduism.
Dude Hinduism isn’t a civilisation it’s a religion. And if you’d care enough about it you’d call it by its real name not British given name. Plus a few isolated incidents don’t mean that people are out to destroy us. Our religion’s just evolving like it’s supposed to, but there’s idiots like you fucking it up
First understand the difference between a religion and Dharma. As far as your concept of evolution is concerned, Can you please elaborate, How it has evolved? Like any other civilization it also had science, astronomy, engineering, philosophy, psychology etc. Read this article to understand Tantra http://swarajyamag.com/culture/oh-doctor-wendy-doniger-on-the-couch-a-tantric-psychoanalysis/ In any case you trying to be modern has aped the language which is path of destruction. You are the destroyer not me.
Just my luck, my concept of evolution is the definition of evolution, look it up. And religion and dharm is the same word in different languages if you must know. And I never accused you of destroying anything, what’s wrong with you? People like would never amount to much, or cause too many problems for the rest of us.
Dharma and religion are diagonally opposite. Religion is history centric, dharma is not. Religion is based on Synthetic unity, dharma is based on integral unity. In religion every human being is treated as an image of god. Not the case in Dharma. Dharma is centered around atma, Atma exists in all living beings. Get the basics right. In Dharma there is no beginning and end. In relgion there is creation and destruction. In religion there is no rebirth & Mokdhya. In dharama there is rebirth and mokshya. In dharma you need to seek your own truth, It’s not the case in religion.
People who can not stand up themselves and close their eye to the problem think that somehow magically the problem will go away. I feel pity on those.
No they aren’t bro. You’re saying stuff about a certain set of religions. There have existed plenty of religions who have followed completely different things. Incas, Mayans, Chinese orthodox and plenty others for example. Stop limiting your world to just two religions man
Look at all of those religions, they never went ahead with institutionalized conversion. All of them believed them in mutual respect. In the very first encounter of native Americans with christians, when christians said that this is our land, The native americans were confused. They said ” What do you mean by owning land”. Owning land is not in their dictionary. That is what the eco system native americans were following fro 20,000 years. There were 80 million of them which were butchered by Christians. The destruction of native amrerican knowledge system is a tragedy, that you can never understand till you frame you ideas based on colonized mindset. In fact they were at least 46 of them which got annihilated by abrahamic religion. Also for some reason you think these things were happening in the past. You are wrong. This is happening now in you backyard.. Look at Punjab, Delhi etc.
Dude actually, the Native American tribes were constantly conflicting with each other over territory, which made it easier for the British to colonise them. The pagan religions of Europe practised mass conversion, a final example being Constantine who made his subjects Christians in one act, at the prospect of incorporating their practises into the religion. And most native Americans died not of war, but foreign diseases that they simply weren’t immune to. And the ones that did survive are given special reservations in America and Canada now. In our own country, aryan pushed our onto the South Indian Dravidians, incorpating their gods in the process. No religion is roses and rainbows, I’ll suggest you look at things from an unbiased perspective.
It’s like this. Kill 3 million Iraqis and then tell the world look they were not getting along among each other. Do not worry its going to happen to India too. I think you have very colonized view of history. Go de-colonize your mind first, before even you write anything.
Dude I’ve studied law, sociology and intermediate level science. You keep using 2 or 3 words and I’m not even sure you understand what they mean. And the complex reasons behind the Iraq war, and the history between u.s and Iraq, it’s a little strange that you’re summing it up with that, if you actually know about those things, that is.if you could spare a minute, please tell me what you mean by colonised mind.
Knowledge is useless when you loose your critical thinking. Parroting what the media wants you to believe is not knowledge. I understand Iraq war very well. Do not rationalize 3 million killings. Since people like you rationalized it, then we have Libya. Another 100,000 killing. This is what is called genocide.
I’m not rationalising the Iraq war, but hiding it’s causes won’t bring the dead any peace as well. The Iraq war was George bush’s disaster. And I’ve spent an year, studying critical thinking bro, I think I have a handle on it. The first rule is to be unbiased and then analyse the information by credible sources. Your arguments fall short of the first rule, and then you take the defensive stance and attack me with words with ambiguous meanings. At this I’m not even sure what you’re arguing for. Is it that everything is either social engineering or media propaganda(apparently those are your favourite words.)
Read this too http://indiafacts.co.in/evangelism-rocks-tirumala-tirupathi-devasthanams-ttd/
And what does this have to do with the case in point? I get that you’re trying to portray Hindus as the victims here but everything you’ve suggested for me to read and watch comes from a source which is biased and isn’t credible which inhibits a fair argument. If I was spend an hour on it I could show you videos and articles which say exactly the same m following the same criterion.
Use your critical thinking to understand the role of the media. Is this covered in any main stream media and TV channels?
I state this again, the media’s role in this doesn’t matter. The solidarity of our people that you’re trying hamper, does.
Media provides a constructive argument to the society. Media and elite instituion of India play a major role in creating this solidarity. In this case they are just doing the opposite.
In an ideal situation, the media should report the truth as they find it. In the reality, though, every media outlet has allegiance to one party or another, and it will continue to be that way. The point of this article isn’t that. It’s that a civil way of protest to something horrible, is making other people offended where they needn’t be, instead of supporting the cause in their own way.
Again you are rationalizing the current dangerous propaganda of media. Stop doing that. If I look at the other societies such as USA and Europe media works as a catalyst to unite people after any major incident. The legal privileges they enjoy comes with social responsibility. I am not sure how can you be so lame in making such argument. It is escapist.
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Dear Santi, while I see where you may be coming from, it would be incorrect to state that Dharma and Religion are diagonally ‘opposite’ – it’s just too limiting in this context. What I reckon (and I may be wrong) you mean is that Hinduism as in the Sanatan Dharma is more a ‘Way of life’ – a path to achieve a goal, than an Organised Religion, however the term religion itself is not a very fixed term and may be interpreted in many different ways all of which are generally accepted and going by the wikipedia definition of a religion, it would not be wrong for one to call Hinduism a religion: A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. [note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe.’
1) In effect, even the so called religions that I think you mean to be the Abrahamic religions are also ‘Ways of life’ that the followers of which believe are the best ways to achieve their goal.
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2) If one studies Hinduism well enough, I think it is safe to say that we also (in the core) believe in the oneness of God.
Coming to my point about the beef ban now: With all the rights that we may have, no one has the ‘right’ to tell anyone which religion or spiritual path to follow or for that matter I see no point in anyone claiming that their ‘way of life’ especially as a means to achieve that spiritual goal is superior as compared to another’s which in effect we are doing by banning beef consumption. The irony is that we commit the most ungodly acts in the name of religious belief’s.
It is simplistic and apathetic analysis to suggest that “Hinduism is a way of life”. The current issue here is the media’s role in propagating social engineering at the cost of human and cultural genocide. The recent coverage is an concrete example of this. As a democratic society we must not encourage this. I would love to have the dharma vs. religion discussion on some other day. My apology in side tracking the discussion here. In fact you can find me on facebook we can have that discussion there.
Here are the some of the artilcles which are must read to understand the issue http://indiafacts.co.in/beef-against-beef/
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/bengal-on-the-brink-of-a-second-partition-says-tapan-ghosh/
One of the dumbest articles written. This article is anything but logical. Yes, Beef is not biggest of all the problems, India is currently facing, but definitely a huge problem to the crowd around you. For some one to protest against a problem he/she is facing, they need not have to protest against all the problems in the world (farmer suicide). Last time I checked with my logic, law, and ethics, Everyone has right to protest. I respect your European colleague, and I think you do too. I think most of the people around you who are sharing ‘Beef posts’ around you would not eat Beef in a restaurant if they are dining with you. But when there is problem out there, they can and should be protesting against it. “Beef Party” is just one of the ways. Just because ONE do not feel comfortable looking at something, people should not and can not stop protesting. Why don’t you just block everyone, or stop using facebook, stop reading news papers ? I do not like to see people getting killed, yet, everyday I read about murders and war in news papers or on other media. It is information, you need not have to like the news, but that happened.
If you don’t have problem people eating ameoba or whale, dont bother them talking about beef party or what they are eating. Don’t bother them with you much loved for cow either coz they want to talk about eating beef and dnt wanna hear cow as mother, or stop your nonesense on majoritarianism.
What kind of bullshit logic is this? You consider cow to be your mother, so you dont want us to eat beef. I consider wheat to be my father. Kindly stop eating roti from tomorrow.